Why Your Vision Needs to be BIG Featuring Natalie Ledwell

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Always have that big number in mind, because like

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I said, if you don't put it out there, then you'll never reach it.

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And the thing is, as you keep getting to these little milestones and achieving

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these, you are starting to gather all this evidence and all this proof,

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that, what you're doing is working

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Welcome to Smashing the Plateau.

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Today on Smashing the Plateau, I'm speaking with best selling

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author and co-founder of Mind Movies, Natalie Ledwell.

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Now, let's welcome Natalie Ledwell.

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Dame Natalie Ledwell is a bests selling author host of the podcast, Not Over,

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Just Different, co-host of the cable TV show, WAKE UP, and founder of

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Mind Movies, the usually successful and revolutionary online personal

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development company that has reached over 10 million people worldwide.

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Natalie, welcome to the show.

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Hey, David, how are you?

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Great.

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Tell me a little bit about your audience.

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My audience is actually me.

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I know that often when we're giving people advice about, going out and

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starting a business to go find your tribe.

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Who's your tribe?

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I just found that I just showed up as myself and then what attracted to me

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was women who are similar to me, they're in middle age, maybe coming out of a

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marriage or the kids have gone off to college or whatever that is, and they're

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looking at this next chapter of their life and going, how do I contribute?

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How do I make a difference?

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How can I, still do something.

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It's not like my life is over.

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I still wanna be able to do something that's fulfilling.

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So that's normally who my, my audience is.

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And I normally talk a lot about personal development and mindset.

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In the aspect of how do I apply those principles to a business or to a

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new vocation or something like that.

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Why have you chosen personal development and mindset

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as the primary areas to focus on?

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Ah, I got into Mind Movies or started Mind

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Movies totally by accident.

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A serendipitous series of events, let's just say The Secret had just

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came out in 2006 and talking about the Law of Attraction, Oprah had

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just interviewed, a lot of the main teachers from that movie and everyone

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was talking about visualization.

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Now at the time I had four businesses.

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That I was running at the same time with my husband concurrently.

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And, yeah, it was crazy.

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And a friend of ours approached us with this idea of creating a little

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movie, like a little slideshow, which was his version of a vision board.

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So it helped people to be able to visualize the life they wanted to live.

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Now it was a hot topic around the world.

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Oprah had just featured The Secret.

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let's go into business and set up, website and we're like, dude, first

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of all, we've got four businesses.

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I got no time for this, even though I knew it was a great idea.

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And the other thing was that I knew nothing about the internet.

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My husband could hardly turn on a computer.

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And I hadn't even heard of YouTube.

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I know someone was trying to describe a social network to me.

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I go, wait a minute, you put your personal details on a website on the internet.

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Why would anyone do that?

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That's how little I knew when we got started put a little video on YouTube.

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We had so much traffic coming from that, we made our first three sales

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and the second day we had that video up, which was very exciting.

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And then within a few months we had that many emails coming from people

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going, this is changing my life.

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We're like, all right, these are the businesses, whatever.

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We've gotta focus on this.

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This is it.

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It really ignited something in me where I'm like, no, we can

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really make a difference here.

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And it was something I'm like, we have to figure out this internet thing.

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yeah.

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And was there something specific in the content that you put up that you

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think was really attractive to people?

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It was just a really simple idea.

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You know the idea of, with a vision board, normally people will cut out a photo

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of the house they want, or the car or the vacation, so that when they look at

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those photos, they can imagine themselves in that house or on that vacation.

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But when you had this dynamic moving little video that has

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affirmations, that describes what it is that you want with the photos.

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And then you add the music to that, that like the soundtrack to it.

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when we are visualizing what's most important is how we feel like we need to

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feel what it's like to already be there.

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And so the music was like the secret source.

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So having such a simple idea like that, I, my first career was in fitness.

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I started managing fitness clubs when I was 21 years.

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Talk my way into this job.

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I had no idea what I was doing.

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I'm like, I reckon I could do a better job than you, but it, this is

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how I cut my entrepreneurial teeth.

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I was managing other people's businesses.

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So by the time I finally went into my own, I'd had all this experience, which

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was fantastic, but my bosses at the time would send me to the Tony Robins

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and the Jim Rohn and the Zig Zeigler.

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And so I was always a student.

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Personal development.

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And I always felt like I had this positive career now, my first

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business after that was a nightclub.

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So I had this stark contrast of going from somewhere where I think I was doing

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something positive to this, oh my God.

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I'm creating an environment for people that to go out and drink and

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have a very unhealthy lifestyle.

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Getting back, you know, when we were receiving these emails, sparking

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that thing inside of me, I'm like, Ooh, I remember this feeling.

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This is what I used to do when I was younger.

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and it felt like I was home.

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It felt like, no, this is exactly where I'm meant to be.

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Which is not what I felt when I was in that nightclub.

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So when it of ignited those deeper feelings for me, I'm like, okay,

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I need to really pay attention to

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this.

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How hard was it to say no to those four existing business?

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We didn't say no straight away.

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And, and this is it, anyone who's looking to, to go into a business,

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I don't, and I think you are the same, we have the same opinion here.

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Don't jump in and and just cut your ties.

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We still, we had our, my husband's, brother come in and run a couple of

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the coffee franchises that we had.

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One of the other one was like a network marketing business.

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So we were still able to run that, because it was mainly online.

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so we still able to maintain some of those businesses, why we started

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to dabble into Mind Movies and looking what that looked like.

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We ended up buying a program, a few months in cuz we're like, how do

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we do the internet marketing thing?

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And then we realized you could buy programs that would

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teach you how to do that.

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And so we bought one program, it was a $2,000 investment, which

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at the time for us was huge.

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And you, we've never spent $2,000 online for anything.

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It's what if it's a scam?

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we had to go through that whole process.

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But we implemented one idea.

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From that program and instantly made our money back.

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We're like, okay, this is crazy.

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And that's when we went, okay, how do we get more of this?

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Like we were hooked and the man who actually created that

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program, his name was Frank Kern.

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Who's a legend in internet marketing circles.

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And he announced he was doing a live event in April of 2008 in San Diego.

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So we packed up you know we came over to the US.

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We attended that seminar.

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And one of the biggest things that happened to us at that

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seminar is that we were accepted into Frank's mastermind group.

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And we ended up staying in the US for the next five months, working our

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butts off, meeting with Frank being part of that group, even our social

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circle where internet marketers.

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So even in a social setting, we were learning, we were like sponges, like

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gathering all the information that we could so that we could do our big launch,

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in September of 2008, which as is when the economic crisis hit the planet, everyone's

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losing their homes and their jobs.

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We'd had accumulated $120,000 on credit cards, which, once we realized

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what was happening economically, we had a little meltdown.

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We're like, okay, this has gotta work.

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Otherwise we're toast.

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And in the end, we ended up doing like a $700,000 launch

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selling a little $97 program.

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And it could have gone either way, but it just happened to be the right time for

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this kind of a product, cuz it was simple.

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It was easy.

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And it was helping people have hope and to feel more optimistic about their

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future, especially given the events of what was just happening in the world.

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Yeah.

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So do you feel like you, like there was some serendipity, in the timing and also

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what kind of product you chose to offer?

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Yes and no.

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Yes, we had decided way before the economic crisis hit that

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this was what we were gonna do.

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We already planned the date we had already, had done all of that.

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But what we also did, and this is what was the difference between the massive

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success that we had with Mind Movies and all the other businesses that we had.

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We had varying degrees of success with the other businesses.

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We made good money and, and we lost some, and we learned a lot of lessons,

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a lot of lessons along the way, but what made the difference with this particular

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business is that for me, I believe we were applying everything that we were teaching.

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We had created a Mind Movies specifically about that launch.

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We talked about the amount of customers that we were attracting, the type of

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people that we were attracting, the amount of money that we were going to

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make, what our business looked like.

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we were very specific about what that looked like.

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And every day we were focusing on that.

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and low and behold, that's exactly what we created because we were very clear about

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where it is that we wanted to end up.

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We were very strategic about surrounding ourselves with the right people and

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the right help and the right support.

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we could have friends in our life that'll, be our little cheerleaders

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for us, but we had a step up from that.

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Our email list went from 8,000 to 80,000 in a week.

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That's how quickly we were, gathering email, for the database and the email

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delivery system shut down our account, cuz they were convinced we were doing

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something illegal, cuz they'd never seen anything grow that quickly.

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And if it wasn't for Frank being able to get on the phone with them and

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go look, no, these guys are legit.

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You know it wasn't just you know, I'm gonna help.

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I'm, I wanna support you, but it's I've got the specific help that you need.

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And believe me, everything that could go wrong, went wrong on that launch,

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so many things, but we had the right people around us to help us to get

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through all of those challenges.

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Yeah.

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No, it sounds like the fact that you spent all of this time trying to

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learn what you needed to learn and have access to the people who had

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expertise, that would be helpful.

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that was really critical.

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Yeah.

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And I think too, for me, especially like I was so far outside my comfort zone, the

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only thing, the only there's two programs, I knew how to use on a computer when we

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started that company was Word and MYOB, which was the bookkeeping, software, which

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is the only reason I used a computer.

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To create invoices and to do bookkeeping.

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So I'm having to learn how to write emails, set up order responders, edit

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videos, build websites, all these things.

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And it's so far outside my comfort zone and I was 40 years old at the time.

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So to say that it was very stressful was an understatement, but what kept

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me going through that was the fact that we had enough people around us that

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were validating that the idea was great and that, that we could be a success

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that I knew exactly where I wanted to end up and I could see and taste that.

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And also what was fueling me was the feedback that we were getting from

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our clients and from our customers just going, you've helped me.

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You've changed my life.

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You've helped me.

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improve my relationship.

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You've helped me, with my relationship with my son, I finally got the car

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or the house that I've been looking for, or I just, for the first time

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in my life, I feel really good about myself, tho that kind of feedback.

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And that validation was like, that's all I needed to keep going.

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And you said that you have been a, basically a student of

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personal development and how to create a positive mindset for your adult life.

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So you were putting all of that into play in this new business effort?

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Absolutely.

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And I think I was handed my first set of cassettes showing my age now, when

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I was 21 years old, Brian Tracy was the guy on the cassettes and that was

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like one of those, oh, my goodness.

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I can think differently and change the outcomes in my life.

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This is crazy.

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But I remember having a moment before our friend approached us with this idea.

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four businesses working really long hours and still struggling financially.

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And I'm like, I don't get it.

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Cuz I knew how to make a plan.

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I knew how to think positively, I knew all of those things and I'm like, why

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am I, why are we still struggling?

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And this doesn't make any sense to me.

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I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right.

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And then it wasn't until I, saw The Secret and went, oh, wait a minute.

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because for me, my plans were always small.

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I'm thinking if I don't know every single step and I can't see the entire plan

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before I get started, or before I set this goal, then I'm only going to set

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something that I know I can achieve.

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that's, That's a foregone conclusion.

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For me to set something huge, like a million dollar launch,

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which is what we did in the end.

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And I'll can tell you a little bit more about that story,

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but a million dollar launch.

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I would never have dared to set a goal like that before, until

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I understood the principles.

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no.

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You just need to know where you wanna end up and you just

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need to take that first step.

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Then you just need to take that second step.

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And if you are in alignment, meaning that you can see yourself already there

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and feel what it's like to already be there and you're taking this action,

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then things will start to fall into place for you and things that you could never

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have planned for in a million years, which is what was happening for us.

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having, and I like Glen and I, we like 20 different businesses we had together.

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We knew how to run a business.

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I, we knew how to do a successful business, but this

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was the missing piece for us.

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It's oh, Okay.

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we didn't just go from that to a successful business.

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We went to living in the us and all those teachers that were in The Secret.

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are now my friends, we've helped 10 million people around the world.

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Like this is as far exceeded anything I could have ever dreamed up for myself

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before I understood these principles.

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Yeah.

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So Natalie, how important is it to think big and then work backwards to the first

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step versus thinking way smaller and working backwards to find the first step.

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Cause I know it can be very scary.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:18

You go, oh, million dollars.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:20

That's the big number.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:21

I'm like, I dunno if I can do this and what I do know is that anything, when

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:25

it comes to what we are creating in our life, how we feel and our emotions,

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:28

we need to be wary of, with the law of attraction, the principle basically

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:33

is like energy attracts like energy.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:35

So we wanna be the same energy or similar energy or frequency, the things that we

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:40

want now, our emotions are our frequency.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:43

Now I also know on the other hand that if you don't set that big

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:46

number, you're never gonna reach it cuz you don't believe you will.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:50

So I always say put the big number out there.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:54

Now you can, like you said, reverse engineer it, break it down into

Natalie Ledwell: 00:15:57

smaller increments and go, okay, I'm gonna get to that million dollars.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:01

But let me focus on the first thousand or first hundred thousand or first 10,000.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:06

And then move your way up, but always have that big number in mind.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:09

because like I said, if you don't put it out there, then you

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:13

don't, you'll never reach it.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:15

And the thing is, as you keep getting to these little milestones and achieving

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:19

these, you are starting to gather all this evidence and all this proof,

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:25

that, what you're doing is working.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:26

you're building your belief and you're building your expectation, which are

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:29

two very important ingredients when it comes to achieving anything that

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:34

you want in life, once you believe and expect that it's gonna happen.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:37

And the way that you do that is by set the big number and then keep achieving those

Natalie Ledwell: 00:16:42

small little milestones along the way.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:16:45

Now, Natalie, for your audience of women over 50, particularly

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:16:50

those that may have been doing something professionally for most of their career

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where they've been doing well, but not necessarily achieving that kind of big

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:17:02

vision, but let's say they're doing well as an employee and then they decide

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:17:06

they wanna shake things up a little bit.

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either by leaving their job or in some other way, what are some of

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:17:11

the outcomes that you've seen them achieve when they shift their mindset?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:16

So a lot of the women that I work with, the reason

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:20

they wanna make a change is because maybe what they've been doing in the

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:24

past has been outta responsibility.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:27

They're a wife, they're a mother.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:29

They have a family they're contributing to the household.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:32

Maybe they didn't even have a job or maybe they're looking to get

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:35

into a business now because they wanna make their contributions.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:38

because they don't have as much responsibility as they had before.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:41

And we, 50 to me is the sweet spot.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:45

We've got all this life experience.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:48

We've got all this knowhow, we've got all this knowledge.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:50

and we are still healthy.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:52

We're still energetic.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:54

We've still got all this, this, go in us, to be able to look for

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:57

the, look forward into something.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:17:58

So the question that a lot of women are asking that I get to work with

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:02

is how do I make a contribution?

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Or how do I do something that's gonna fill my soul.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:09

And so when they're looking at what they're going into next, they're

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:12

looking at well, what am I good at?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:13

What have I been good at?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:15

And what is it that I really enjoy doing?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:17

And then from there they go, okay.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:19

So how do I make money out of this?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:20

Or how do I engineer a business out of this?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:23

And then they start that research from there.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:26

So anything from becoming a coach.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:29

To starting their own podcast, to running an ebook, to doing some online programs.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:35

And for some people it's just, creating some kind of, product or craft or

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:40

something like that, where they can donate a certain amount of money from

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:43

that, into the charities or the causes that are really close to their heart.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:47

So really a very heart and love based businesses is what I can see is

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:53

coming out of the women that I work with as well and something where they

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:56

go, look, I could do this forever.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:18:57

I think this whole concept of retirement, this, our generation are like, Retire?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:02

Why would we do that when we love what we do?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:05

it's not like it's a, something that we've, that we have to do.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:09

It's something that we get to do and that we love to do.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:19:11

That's so true.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:13

And so it kinda takes a whole retirement thing off the table.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:19:15

Yeah.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:19:16

How many of them end up doing something in business?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:19

I would say there's probably about, I don't know, 25%,

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:22

25 to 30% of the women that I work.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:25

Is there anything about your work or about your audience that we haven't

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:31

discussed that you'd like to share?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:35

Let's see.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:35

I think really, like I said, it, we can go through our whole lives.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:41

Struggling, which a lot of us do, and a lot of what I do is not just helping

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:45

people have this really optimistic and positive vision of their future,

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:49

but also understand what stopped them from having that before now, and for

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:53

a lot of us, we are overcoming our childhood, we're overcoming our culture.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:19:58

We're overcoming, the expectations that society had for us to show up in a certain

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:03

way or to go into a certain career.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:05

So now it's now I get to do what I really wanna do.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:08

So figure out what that is and why have I not stepped into that yet?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:13

Now a lot of us are overcoming limiting beliefs or programs of

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:17

not being worthy, not being smart enough, not deserving success.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:23

And I also help people to really be able to clear a lot of that old programming

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:27

because consciously we go, no, I wanna create this career and I wanna have this

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:32

wealth and I wanna live this lifestyle, but subconsciously our subconscious

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:36

mind is going no, remember, you're never gonna amount to anything you were told

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:40

that repeatedly when you were a kid.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:41

So I'm gonna do my best to throw up all the procrastination and all the

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:46

negative thoughts and every excuse for you not to be able to do that.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:50

So when we become aware of what those thoughts are, and especially they come

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:54

to the service, when we set ourselves a goal of, okay, no, I wanna create

Natalie Ledwell: 00:20:59

a business that I feel good about.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:01

Then when we start in taking action in that direction, that's when these

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:04

thoughts really come to the surface, all these feelings come to the surface.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:08

It's oh, who do I think I am?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:10

We all, all from time to time have that imposter syndrome come up.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:14

I have the same thing, created a social emotional learning curriculum for schools.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:18

Now I left school when I was 15.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:21

and I don't have children.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:22

I'm like, so I'm like, they're way minute now.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:24

I'm like, I know you can make a lot of amazing things happen, but really this,

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:29

but again, there's been too many things that have fallen into place to help me

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:33

to make this become a reality that I'm like, okay, I can't walk away from this.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:38

there's too much support that I'm getting from wherever, to

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:41

be able to make this happen.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:42

Being able to overcome that is also a lot of what I, help, people do is to

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:47

get, let's get past that old programming and, and as sometimes that's the

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:51

reason we stay in a job or a career longer than then maybe we wanted to,

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:56

because we have a lot of this self doubt, which is really connected to

Natalie Ledwell: 00:21:59

some, deeper, childhood experiences.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:01

And we all have it, like every single human being on the planet has it.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:05

But once we become aware of that, And then choose to release it and go, okay

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:11

not so thinking those thoughts anymore.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:13

They're not serving me.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:14

What am I choosing to replace those thoughts with?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:17

And then starting to move through forward from those four paradigms is just, it

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:22

makes all the difference in the world.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:22:23

Yeah, Natalie, congratulations on everything

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:22:25

you've achieved and the huge impact you've made on so many lives.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:22:29

If somebody wants to go deeper with anything that you've shared today, or

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:22:33

access any resources, you have learn more about you, et cetera, where would they go?

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:38

Yeah.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:38

So mindmovies.com is our main website.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:42

From there, there's a lot of free content.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:44

You can download some free Mind Movies as well.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:46

There's a whole, all the information on our programs there also, if you're

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:49

a female and you're listening to this and you're, Expectable age like myself.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:52

you can access the podcast there, which is Not Over, Just Different , but if

Natalie Ledwell: 00:22:58

you are listening to this and, you are interested in a social, emotional

Natalie Ledwell: 00:23:03

learning curriculum for your school.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:23:05

If your kids are still at school, personalgrowthstudies.com is,

Natalie Ledwell: 00:23:09

definitely the best place to, to find out some information and to

Natalie Ledwell: 00:23:12

connect with me through there.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:13

Sounds great.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:14

Natalie, I wanna thank you so much for taking the time to join us today

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:17

and share your insights in your story.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:19

My guest has been co-founder of Mind Movies, Natalie Ledwell.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:23

Thank you again, Natalie, for joining us.

Natalie Ledwell: 00:23:25

Thanks David.

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